Feb 21 • 20:01 UTC 🇱🇹 Lithuania Lrytas

Brother and Sister Live Together with 4 Children: 'We Didn't Even Realize We Were Doing Anything Wrong'

A brother and sister, Patrick and Susan, who engaged in an incestuous relationship that resulted in four children, reflect on their situation and challenge the legality of their relationship.

Patrick Stuebing, who spent over 20 years in a care home in East Germany, returned to find his younger sister, Susan Karolewski, and they soon began a controversial relationship. Their paths diverged when Patrick was abused by their father, leading to an extended separation. After reuniting, and just six months later, he began sharing a bedroom with 16-year-old Susan, who was mentally disabled following the death of their mother in December 2000. Their illegal relationship ultimately resulted in the birth of four children, two of whom have disabilities, raising serious ethical and legal questions about their situation.

In 2001, Patrick and Susan first challenged Germany's incest laws, and in 2012, they escalated their case to the European Court of Human Rights. During this time, Patrick served two prison sentences related to their incestuous acts, yet he has publicly expressed that he does not feel guilty about their relationship. The case has led to broader discussions in Germany and beyond regarding the rights of individuals in complex familial relationships, particularly those involving mental disabilities.

As this case continues to unfold, questions remain about the societal and legal frameworks surrounding incest, mental capacity, and family dynamics. The implications of their story pose significant challenges not only to legal systems but also to moral norms surrounding familial relations, sparking debate about individual rights versus societal norms and the institutions designed to protect vulnerable individuals.

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